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From: genewardsmith (2011-01-04)
Subject: Archytas12 hobbit, sync beating
In order to test the hypothesis that synchronized tetrad beating could ameliorate tuning error, I present this sync version of the archytas12 hobbit scale Chris used recently. If Chris or anyone else wanted to compare a piece using plenty of otonal tetrads in this tuning and the other one, it might be interesting.
! archytas12sync.scl
Archytas[12] (64/63) hobbit, sync beating
! 3+x, 5+x, 7+x, x smaller root of 2x^3 + 19x^2 + 60x - 1
12
!
96.45889
222.99262
319.45150
392.04481
488.50369
615.03742
711.49631
807.95519
934.48892
977.00738
1103.54111
1200.00000
!
! ! prearchytas12.scl
! Archytas[12] transversal = syndia2
! 12
! !
! 16/15
! 9/8
! 6/5
! 5/4
! 4/3
! 45/32
! 3/2
! 8/5
! 27/16
! 16/9
! 15/8
! 2/1
From: Carl Lumma (2011-01-04)
Subject: Re: Archytas12 hobbit, sync beating
--- In [email protected], "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
>
> In order to test the hypothesis that synchronized tetrad
> beating could ameliorate tuning error, I present this sync
> version of the archytas12 hobbit scale Chris used recently.
Why present a scale to test a tetrad? -Carl
From: genewardsmith (2011-01-04)
Subject: Re: Archytas12 hobbit, sync beating
--- In [email protected], "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@> wrote:
> >
> > In order to test the hypothesis that synchronized tetrad
> > beating could ameliorate tuning error, I present this sync
> > version of the archytas12 hobbit scale Chris used recently.
>
> Why present a scale to test a tetrad? -Carl
Because then we can test the idea using actual music.
From: Carl Lumma (2011-01-04)
Subject: Re: Archytas12 hobbit, sync beating
--- In [email protected], "genewardsmith" <genewardsmith@...> wrote:
> > > In order to test the hypothesis that synchronized tetrad
> > > beating could ameliorate tuning error, I present this sync
> > > version of the archytas12 hobbit scale Chris used recently.
> >
> > Why present a scale to test a tetrad? -Carl
>
> Because then we can test the idea using actual music.
You said a synchronized tetrad could ameliorate tuning
error. One doesn't need music to test that, just
tetrads. In fact music makes it much harder to test. -Carl
From: genewardsmith (2011-01-04)
Subject: Re: Archytas12 hobbit, sync beating
--- In [email protected], "Carl Lumma" <carl@...> wrote:
> You said a synchronized tetrad could ameliorate tuning
> error.
I said no such thing. YOU said it could not; I wanted to test your claim.
From: Chris Vaisvil (2011-01-04)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Archytas12 hobbit, sync beating
I can run the tuning on an existing piece no problem.
This afternoon I should get to it.
Chris
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:19 AM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@...>wrote:
>
>
> In order to test the hypothesis that synchronized tetrad beating could
> ameliorate tuning error, I present this sync version of the archytas12
> hobbit scale Chris used recently. If Chris or anyone else wanted to compare
> a piece using plenty of otonal tetrads in this tuning and the other one, it
> might be interesting.
>
> ! archytas12sync.scl
> Archytas[12] (64/63) hobbit, sync beating
> ! 3+x, 5+x, 7+x, x smaller root of 2x^3 + 19x^2 + 60x - 1
> 12
> !
> 96.45889
> 222.99262
> 319.45150
> 392.04481
> 488.50369
> 615.03742
> 711.49631
> 807.95519
> 934.48892
> 977.00738
> 1103.54111
> 1200.00000
> !
> ! ! prearchytas12.scl
> ! Archytas[12] transversal = syndia2
> ! 12
> ! !
> ! 16/15
> ! 9/8
> ! 6/5
> ! 5/4
> ! 4/3
> ! 45/32
> ! 3/2
> ! 8/5
> ! 27/16
> ! 16/9
> ! 15/8
> ! 2/1
>
>
>
From: Carl Lumma (2011-01-04)
Subject: Re: Archytas12 hobbit, sync beating
> > You said a synchronized tetrad could ameliorate tuning
> > error.
>
> I said no such thing. YOU said it could not; I wanted to test
> your claim.
You said "in order to test the hypothesis that..." So sorry
to put claims in your mouth, but my objection about scales/music
vs. chords stands. -Carl
From: Chris Vaisvil (2011-01-05)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Archytas12 hobbit, sync beating
Ok, I see you want tetrads - so I need to go back and compose another piece.
Nonetheless, here are the two versions of the Hobvbit tuning using the wind
version of the original Hobbit improvisation piece I wrote.
http://micro.soonlabel.com/hobbit_scales/daily20101231-archytas-hobbit.mp3
http://micro.soonlabel.com/hobbit_scales/daily20101231-archytas-hobbit-in-sync.mp3
Chris
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:19 AM, genewardsmith
<[email protected]>wrote:
>
>
> In order to test the hypothesis that synchronized tetrad beating could
> ameliorate tuning error, I present this sync version of the archytas12
> hobbit scale Chris used recently. If Chris or anyone else wanted to compare
> a piece using plenty of otonal tetrads in this tuning and the other one, it
> might be interesting.
>
> ! archytas12sync.scl
> Archytas[12] (64/63) hobbit, sync beating
> ! 3+x, 5+x, 7+x, x smaller root of 2x^3 + 19x^2 + 60x - 1
> 12
> !
> 96.45889
> 222.99262
> 319.45150
> 392.04481
> 488.50369
> 615.03742
> 711.49631
> 807.95519
> 934.48892
> 977.00738
> 1103.54111
> 1200.00000
> !
> ! ! prearchytas12.scl
> ! Archytas[12] transversal = syndia2
> ! 12
> ! !
> ! 16/15
> ! 9/8
> ! 6/5
> ! 5/4
> ! 4/3
> ! 45/32
> ! 3/2
> ! 8/5
> ! 27/16
> ! 16/9
> ! 15/8
> ! 2/1
>
>
>
From: genewardsmith (2011-01-05)
Subject: Re: Archytas12 hobbit, sync beating
--- In [email protected], Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> Ok, I see you want tetrads - so I need to go back and compose another piece.
>
>
> Nonetheless, here are the two versions of the Hobvbit tuning using the wind
> version of the original Hobbit improvisation piece I wrote.
This was already very interesting; the two versions sounded more unalike that I expected. I wouldn't call the effect amelioration; rather, the sync beating seems to call attention to the harmony.
From: Jacques Dudon (2011-01-06)
Subject: Re: Archytas12 hobbit, sync beating
It depends of the passages ; they are very different. Some of the
diatonic passages I prefer in the sync version, that has more
contrasts, but on the whole piece I find the original more harmonized.
Would not some intermediary level of sync beating be possible ?
- - - - - - -
Jacques
PS : what's a hobbit tuning ? sounds nice !
Gene wrote :
> -- In [email protected], Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I see you want tetrads - so I need to go back and compose
> another piece.
> >
> >
> > Nonetheless, here are the two versions of the Hobvbit tuning
> using the wind
> > version of the original Hobbit improvisation piece I wrote.
>
> This was already very interesting; the two versions sounded more
> unalike that I expected. I wouldn't call the effect amelioration;
> rather, the sync beating seems to call attention to the harmony.