Topic: Fifth octave of the harmonic overtone series

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From: christopherv (2010-07-14)
Subject: Fifth octave of the harmonic overtone series

Well, nothing too spectacular here except this - I demonstrate the sympathetic vibration that pianoteq can do just like a real piano. In the beginning I lightly depress some bass notes and let the treble notes ring in them - but this is without the sustenuto pedal. (at first) This, for me, seals the deal on physical modeling being *the* way to go for instrument recreation software.

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The tuning used is as follows

! harm16a.scl
!
Fifth octave of the harmonic overtone series
15
!
17/16
9/8
19/16
5/4
21/16
11/8
23/16
3/2
25/16
13/8
27/16
7/4
29/16
15/8
31/16

From: genewardsmith (2010-07-14)
Subject: Re: Fifth octave of the harmonic overtone series

--- In [email protected], "christopherv" <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:

Are you aware that this doesn't repeat at the octave?

> The tuning used is as follows
> 
> ! harm16a.scl
> !
> Fifth octave of the harmonic overtone series
> 15
> !
> 17/16
> 9/8
> 19/16
> 5/4
> 21/16
> 11/8
> 23/16
> 3/2
> 25/16
> 13/8
> 27/16
> 7/4
> 29/16
> 15/8
> 31/16
>

From: Chris Vaisvil (2010-07-14)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Fifth octave of the harmonic overtone series

Hi Gene,

There was something that functioned as an octave - but not at 1 octave.
Since this is midi recorded further analysis can be made.

Chris

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@...>wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected] <tuning%40yahoogroups.com>, "christopherv"
> <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> Are you aware that this doesn't repeat at the octave?
>
>
> > The tuning used is as follows
> >
> > ! harm16a.scl
> > !
> > Fifth octave of the harmonic overtone series
> > 15
> > !
> > 17/16
> > 9/8
> > 19/16
> > 5/4
> > 21/16
> > 11/8
> > 23/16
> > 3/2
> > 25/16
> > 13/8
> > 27/16
> > 7/4
> > 29/16
> > 15/8
> > 31/16
> >
>
>  
>

From: Chris Vaisvil (2010-07-15)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Fifth octave of the harmonic overtone series

Can I ask why you asked this question?

I'm sure you had a point - but I'm not grasping it.

Chris

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM, genewardsmith
<genewardsmith@...>wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected] <tuning%40yahoogroups.com>, "christopherv"
> <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> Are you aware that this doesn't repeat at the octave?
>
>
> > The tuning used is as follows
> >
> > ! harm16a.scl
> > !
> > Fifth octave of the harmonic overtone series
> > 15
> > !
> > 17/16
> > 9/8
> > 19/16
> > 5/4
> > 21/16
> > 11/8
> > 23/16
> > 3/2
> > 25/16
> > 13/8
> > 27/16
> > 7/4
> > 29/16
> > 15/8
> > 31/16
> >
>
>  
>

From: genewardsmith (2010-07-15)
Subject: Re: Fifth octave of the harmonic overtone series

--- In [email protected], Chris Vaisvil <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
>
> Can I ask why you asked this question?
> 
> I'm sure you had a point - but I'm not grasping it.

I just wanted to be sure this scale is the one you really wanted, and not the more usual scale you would get by tacking 2/1 onto the end.

From: Chris Vaisvil (2010-07-15)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Fifth octave of the harmonic overtone series

Well, I am just going through the scala archive - In this case I've been
interested in harmonic series tunings.
So I loaded it up and dealt with the hand I was given.  To be honest I
didn't more than glance at the intervals until after I exported the piece
from Sonar. My selection was built on "5th oct. of the Har. series entirely.


But you know - there is a system to it when I do this.

In the 2nd octave of my 88 key controller I found a fifth which was played
as a 6th, and stacking on another fifth worked also - then stacking a fourth
I found a major thirdish (really a 10th or... ehh a 15th ?) - so that was my
base tonal center. I also found another fifth based on F but it didn't mesh
so I ignored it. In edo tunings of course this becomes a some mapping - say
a major 6th is a 5th and a major 3rd a fourth or what ever it is. But these
irregular tunings make the mental mapping much more difficult to maintain in
my mind.

In any case, then I found that the whole tone scale in the middle  register
- going higher notes had to be skipped and also lower notes had to be
skipped in to make melody lines of for example a major 3rd / semitone /
major 2nd - so in effect it felt much like melodic minor below and above the
whole tone section centered around D#4 (if I remember correctly).

I was kinda blah today - so all one got out of me was a drone and some
vaguely middle eastern sounding noodle. It might be interesting to go back
and find more harmonies - though more difficult I would think than the
tuning I used for Kiev Decays.

I am a big fan of Michael Harrison - and he was a gracious person to deal
with when I purchased a couple of his albums. I'm trying to explore his type
of tuning - but I don't feel as though I'm finding much - and I may have to
take a stab as stacking some harmonics - though I don't have the skill for
that yet.

Chris

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:58 PM, genewardsmith <genewardsmith@...
> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In [email protected] <tuning%40yahoogroups.com>, Chris Vaisvil
> <chrisvaisvil@...> wrote:
> >
> > Can I ask why you asked this question?
> >
> > I'm sure you had a point - but I'm not grasping it.
>
> I just wanted to be sure this scale is the one you really wanted, and not
> the more usual scale you would get by tacking 2/1 onto the end.
>
>  
>