Topic: Something for your ears again

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Thread (10 messages)

From: Petr Pařízek (2010-05-17)
Subject: Something for your ears again

Hi there,

let me tell you something ... Today, for the first time ever, I was finally 
able to play my "triharmonic" scale which I first thought of back in 2006 
and "classified" in 2008! (Indeed, it's been that long since.) At that time, 
I had no option to try it out. But today, someone was showing me some 
software synths at school. And together we found that one of them actually 
supported MTS. So I made some MIDI files with Scala and sent them to that 
synth. And it worked. The only problem was that there was a delay of more 
than 100 ms in the output so I had to be very careful when playing (or 
trying to play) faster passages on the MIDI keyboard. Finally, we picked up 
something like a filtered sawtooth sound (sorry for the loud overtones, I 
just wanted them to be clearly audible). We even didn't use any reverb or 
other "spatial enhancing" effects. FYI: These are absolute improvs, I made a 
few obvious mistakes while playing, but you know how it is ... I was just 
so-o-o-o happy that I could play those non-octave scales ... Anyway, here is 
the result: http://www.box.net/shared/cg17y5ggku

Petr

From: genewardsmith (2010-05-17)
Subject: Re: Something for your ears again

--- In [email protected], Petr Pařízek  wrote:
But today, someone was showing me some 
> software synths at school. And together we found that one of them actually 
> supported MTS. So I made some MIDI files with Scala and sent them to that 
> synth. And it worked.

I take it you mean a keyboard file, not a mid file using MTS. If anyone knows of a softsynth which will render a midi file which uses MTS, I'd be interested to hear of it. There is an unfortunate prejudice in favor of keyboards with softsynths, it seems to me. But the world of music has always been harsh on we spaz people. 
Anyway, here is 
> the result: http://www.box.net/shared/cg17y5ggku

Do you have Scala scale files for the scales used?

From: Marcel de Velde (2010-05-17)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Something for your ears again

Hi Gene,

I take it you mean a keyboard file, not a mid file using MTS. If anyone
> knows of a softsynth which will render a midi file which uses MTS, I'd be
> interested to hear of it. There is an unfortunate prejudice in favor of
> keyboards with softsynths, it seems to me. But the world of music has always
> been harsh on we spaz people.
>

I guess you missed my previous reply to this same question a while ago.
The only softsynth that'll play MTS midi files is Timidity++
And as I said back then aswell, I'm thinking of starting a
petition/promotion thing for MTS where people can write their name or
something and after a while a mail is sent to all synth companies (hard and
soft) asking them if they're willing to use MTS in their products.
If more synths would support MTS it would be great. MTS can do everything
anybody ever wants microtonally without any drawbacks.

Marcel

From: Carl Lumma (2010-05-17)
Subject: Re: Something for your ears again

--- In [email protected], Petr Pařízek  wrote:
> Anyway, here is 
> the result: http://www.box.net/shared/cg17y5ggku
> 
> Petr

That nonoctave marvel is something else!   -Carl

From: Petr Pařízek (2010-05-18)
Subject: Re: Something for your ears again

Gene wrote:

> I take it you mean a keyboard file, not a mid file using MTS. If anyone 
> knows of
> a softsynth which will render a midi file which uses MTS, I'd be 
> interested to
> hear of it. There is an unfortunate prejudice in favor of keyboards with
> softsynths, it seems to me. But the world of music has always been harsh 
> on we
> spaz people.

#1. I'm not sure what you mean by a "keyboard file".
#2. It's Native Instruments Pro-53. Actually, I don't know which version of 
Scala you use, but if you type "Show synth", not only does it show the 
available formats but it also shows, towards the end of the list, names of 
some instruments which support MTS -- and NI Pro-53 is one of them.

> Do you have Scala scale files for the scales used?

I'll send them in my next message.

Petr

From: Petr Pařízek (2010-05-18)
Subject: Re: Something for your ears again

> That nonoctave marvel is something else! -Carl

I've checked the file names many times and I can say with certainty that all 
of them are correct, including the non-octave marvel.

Anyway, here are the scales for better understanding:

! triharma.scl
!
The triharmonic scale
 20
!
 99.53378
 257.54248
 357.07625
 456.61003
 614.61873
 714.15251
 8/5
 971.69498
 1071.22876
 1170.76254
 1328.77124
 1428.30502
 5/2
 1685.84749
 1785.38127
 1943.38997
 2042.92375
 2142.45752
 2300.46622
 4/1

! nomar3a.scl
!
Non-octave marvel
 5
!
 115.58705
 231.17409
 268.79879
 384.38583
 499.97288

! breedhf.scl
!
Breed with a half-fifth period
 4
!
 84.22679
 168.45359
 266.75071
 350.97750

Petr

From: Carl Lumma (2010-05-18)
Subject: Re: Something for your ears again

--- In [email protected], Petr Paøízek  wrote:
>
> > That nonoctave marvel is something else! -Carl
> 
> I've checked the file names many times and I can say with
> certainty that all of them are correct, including the non-octave
> marvel.

Heh, this took me a second.  It is an idiom, which means,
something good!

By the way, I was visiting the official Chernobyl power plant
website while I listened to that track.  The theme went
perfectly, with the artwork and sculpture there now, against
the abandoned buildings of Pripyat.  Did you know that two of
the four reactors at the plant continued operations -- continued
to produce electricity -- in the 16 years following the accident
(1986-2000)?

-Carl

From: Chris Vaisvil (2010-05-18)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Something for your ears again

Very cool! Am I right in thinking I'm hearing "periodicity buzz" in
some of the chords?

Chris

2010/5/17 Petr Pařízek 
>
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> let me tell you something ... Today, for the first time ever, I was finally
> able to play my "triharmonic" scale which I first thought of back in 2006
> and "classified" in 2008! (Indeed, it's been that long since.) At that time,
> I had no option to try it out. But today, someone was showing me some
> software synths at school. And together we found that one of them actually
> supported MTS. So I made some MIDI files with Scala and sent them to that
> synth. And it worked. The only problem was that there was a delay of more
> than 100 ms in the output so I had to be very careful when playing (or
> trying to play) faster passages on the MIDI keyboard. Finally, we picked up
> something like a filtered sawtooth sound (sorry for the loud overtones, I
> just wanted them to be clearly audible). We even didn't use any reverb or
> other "spatial enhancing" effects. FYI: These are absolute improvs, I made a
> few obvious mistakes while playing, but you know how it is ... I was just
> so-o-o-o happy that I could play those non-octave scales ... Anyway, here is
> the result: http://www.box.net/shared/cg17y5ggku
>
> Petr

From: Petr Pařízek (2010-05-18)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Something for your ears again

Hi Chris,

yes, that was the primary intention I had in my mind when making the actual 
temperaments. :-)

Petr

From: Ozan Yarman (2010-05-23)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Something for your ears again

These are very good. I had forgotten they were by you when I got  
around to listening them now... and I thought I recognized your usage  
of chords and timbres! Having read Breed on the file name, I said to  
myself, why was this from Graham? It looks as if he started composing  
like Petr Parizek! Hah hah.

Very high latency such as that ruins my playing. I cannot keep pace  
when my ear is accustomed to wait for the response that is not yet  
there. It's a weird disorientation!

Oz.

✩ ✩ ✩
www.ozanyarman.com

On May 17, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Petr Pařízek wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> let me tell you something ... Today, for the first time ever, I was  
> finally
> able to play my "triharmonic" scale which I first thought of back in  
> 2006
> and "classified" in 2008! (Indeed, it's been that long since.) At  
> that time,
> I had no option to try it out. But today, someone was showing me some
> software synths at school. And together we found that one of them  
> actually
> supported MTS. So I made some MIDI files with Scala and sent them to  
> that
> synth. And it worked. The only problem was that there was a delay of  
> more
> than 100 ms in the output so I had to be very careful when playing (or
> trying to play) faster passages on the MIDI keyboard. Finally, we  
> picked up
> something like a filtered sawtooth sound (sorry for the loud  
> overtones, I
> just wanted them to be clearly audible). We even didn't use any  
> reverb or
> other "spatial enhancing" effects. FYI: These are absolute improvs,  
> I made a
> few obvious mistakes while playing, but you know how it is ... I was  
> just
> so-o-o-o happy that I could play those non-octave scales ... Anyway,  
> here is
> the result: http://www.box.net/shared/cg17y5ggku
>
> Petr
>