Topic: Duo for Duodene

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arch_enh_cheese Archytas' enharmonic with just 5/4's 'round a circle of 5-ET 15 1200.0

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From: Andrew Heathwaite (2004-06-08)
Subject: Duo for Duodene

Hi there,

I want to share with you a new piece.  It is called Duo for Duodene, and you
can find it at my SoundClick site:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/andrewheathwaitemusic.htm

It is the result of a collaboration between myself and a fellow
microtonalist.  We each created material to use (four small original
synthesizer audio clips) and separately recombined the material to formulate
a piece.  Duo for Duodene represents my microtonal partner's mix.  My own is
not finished yet.

You'll find it is very different from the other work on my SoundClick site
because the bulk of the work was not done by me (I only provided some
material), and it uses sounds outside of the FM7.  I think you'll enjoy it.

For a tuning, we used Ellis's Duodene:

0:          1/1               0.000 unison, perfect prime
1:         16/15            111.731 minor diatonic semitone
2:          9/8             203.910 major whole tone
3:          6/5             315.641 minor third
4:          5/4             386.314 major third
5:          4/3             498.045 perfect fourth
6:         45/32            590.224 diatonic tritone
7:          3/2             701.955 perfect fifth
8:          8/5             813.686 minor sixth
9:          5/3             884.359 major sixth, BP sixth
10:          9/5            1017.596 just minor seventh, BP seventh
11:         15/8            1088.269 classic major seventh
12:          2/1            1200.000 octave

I'd be interested in your responses.

Thanks!

-Andrew


	
		
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From: Carl Lumma (2004-06-08)
Subject: Re: [MMM] Duo for Duodene

>I want to share with you a new piece.  It is called Duo for Duodene,
>and you can find it at my SoundClick site:
>
>http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/andrewheathwaitemusic.htm

That's pretty cool!

>It is the result of a collaboration between myself and a fellow
>microtonalist.  We each created material to use (four small original
>synthesizer audio clips) and separately recombined the material to
>formulate a piece.  Duo for Duodene represents my microtonal
>partner's mix.  My own is not finished yet.

Was this done over the internet?

-Carl
From: Jonathan M. Szanto (2004-06-08)
Subject: Re: [MMM] Duo for Duodene

Andrew,

{you wrote...}
>I want to share with you a new piece.  It is called Duo for Duodene, and you
>can find it at my SoundClick site:

Excellent work/play! (see below)

>It is the result of a collaboration between myself and a fellow microtonalist.

Ooooh, I hate mysteries. No matter, it is a very nice piece, and very well 
produced. Frankly, it reminds me of some of the music I've been listening 
to a *lot* lately, but I mean that in a very positive vein.

Not wanting to cross-pollinate threads, but you mentioned branching to JI 
at some point, and this track made me think about your work: it seems that 
you are a very melodically-focused player/composer, as opposed to working a 
lot on harmonic/chord progressions. In this respect, JI tunings may not (I 
emphasize *may*) jump out at you as being gigantically different. People 
can correct me here, but JI has strong roots in its harmonic sense, and 
melodies grow from that ground. But you should explore as you see fit.

It would also be a VERY swell thing if we can get you to tackle things not 
limited to 12 pitches. Seems like you are a better muso than that!

Thanks for sharing the new work, and get your Collaboratist to show his/her 
face around here...

Cheers,
Jon
From: kraig grady (2004-06-08)
Subject: Re: [MMM] Duo for Duodene

From what i have noticed Jonathan, it is that JI occurs more in melodically based
music than in harmonic. It is in harmonic where one has to get tones to serve more
than one function, where as with melody, a strong defined relations to others is
exactly what one wants. I remember Lou also mentioning that it was the melodic
capability that attracted him to JI. Often on these list though , one thinks of JI
in the harmonic sense

"Jonathan M. Szanto" wrote:

>  In this respect, JI tunings may not (I
> emphasize *may*) jump out at you as being gigantically different. People
> can correct me here, but JI has strong roots in its harmonic sense, and
> melodies grow from that ground. But you should explore as you see fit.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>
>
>

-- -Kraig Grady
North American Embassy of Anaphoria Island
 http://www.anaphoria.com
The Wandering Medicine Show
 KXLU 88.9 FM WED 8-9PM PST
From: Jonathan M. Szanto (2004-06-08)
Subject: Re: [MMM] Duo for Duodene

Kraig,

{you wrote...}
> >From what i have noticed Jonathan, it is that JI occurs more in 
> melodically based
>music than in harmonic. It is in harmonic where one has to get tones to 
>serve more
>than one function, where as with melody, a strong defined relations to 
>others is
>exactly what one wants. I remember Lou also mentioning that it was the melodic
>capability that attracted him to JI. Often on these list though , one 
>thinks of JI
>in the harmonic sense

As I so aptly put, "people may correct me here". Kraig, with all your work 
in these tunings, I accept your remarks, and will look at JI in *all* ways 
from here on out!

Cheers,
Jon
From: Andrew Heathwaite (2004-06-12)
Subject: Re: [MMM] Duo for Duodene

--- Carl Lumma <ekin@...> wrote:
> >I want to share with you a new piece.  It is called Duo for Duodene,
> >and you can find it at my SoundClick site:
> >
> >http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/andrewheathwaitemusic.htm
> 
> That's pretty cool!

I'm glad you think so!  I can take a very small fraction of the credit for
this piece, as I merely supplied some short audio files.  My collaborist,
Jacky Ligon, did most of the work.

> >It is the result of a collaboration between myself and a fellow
> >microtonalist.  We each created material to use (four small original
> >synthesizer audio clips) and separately recombined the material to
> >formulate a piece.  Duo for Duodene represents my microtonal
> >partner's mix.  My own is not finished yet.
> 
> Was this done over the internet?

Partially.  I sent Jacky the audio by email, and he assembled the piece from
that and from his own materials.  He then snail-mailed me a CD-R of the
piece, along with his own audio fragments.  I ripped these files to my hard
disk and uploaded it to SoundClick from there.  Now that I've received his
audio fragments, I'll be able to create my own conconction... but not until
I find the time.

If we attempt another collaboration, I hope that more of it can be done over
the internet.  At any rate, it was fun and interesting.

Best,
Andrew


	
		
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From: Andrew Heathwaite (2004-06-12)
Subject: Re: [MMM] Duo for Duodene

--- "Jonathan M. Szanto" <JSZANTO@...> wrote:
> Andrew,
> 
> {you wrote...}
> >I want to share with you a new piece.  It is called Duo for Duodene, and
> you
> >can find it at my SoundClick site:
> 
> Excellent work/play! (see below)
> 
> >It is the result of a collaboration between myself and a fellow
> microtonalist.
> 
> Ooooh, I hate mysteries.

The fellow microtonalist with which I collaborated is Jacky Ligon.  Mystery
solved.  ;<)

> No matter, it is a very nice piece, and very well
> 
> produced. Frankly, it reminds me of some of the music I've been listening 
> to a *lot* lately, but I mean that in a very positive vein.

I think he did a great job with it.  If my own concoction of the same
material comes out half that good, I'll be very proud.

> Not wanting to cross-pollinate threads, but you mentioned branching to JI 
> at some point, and this track made me think about your work: it seems that
> 
> you are a very melodically-focused player/composer, as opposed to working
> a 
> lot on harmonic/chord progressions. In this respect, JI tunings may not (I
> 
> emphasize *may*) jump out at you as being gigantically different.

Oh, they definitely do seem gigantically different to me in some ways, but
I'm finding that much of what I've "learned" through working with equal
temperaments holds meaning in a JI universe.  At any rate, I absolutely
adore  exploring the differences as well as the similarities.

Perhaps I am primarily melodically-focused.  I've never considered it. 
You've given me something to reflect upon.  Thanks!

> It would also be a VERY swell thing if we can get you to tackle things not
> 
> limited to 12 pitches. Seems like you are a better muso than that!

Thank you!  This summer, I intend to purchase X. J. Scott's Li'l Miss' Scale
Oven, which will allow me tune up anything I can dream up.  In a way, it
might be good that I've been limited.  I imagine it's keeping me focused,
and possibly preventing me from going insane.

Thanks for listening, and I'm glad you enjoyed the piece.

Best,
Andrew


	
		
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From: Jacob (2004-06-12)
Subject: Re: [MMM] Duo for Duodene

> The fellow microtonalist with which I collaborated is Jacky Ligon.  Mystery
> solved.  ;<)
> 

That was my best guess, and I've only scavenged up four tracks by him.  It's a funny 
thing how distinctive everyone's voice on here is, and I imagine with synthesized 
music everyone's personal styles are magnified by the different software people use.

> Thank you!  This summer, I intend to purchase X. J. Scott's Li'l Miss' Scale
> Oven, which will allow me tune up anything I can dream up.  In a way, it
> might be good that I've been limited.  I imagine it's keeping me focused,
> and possibly preventing me from going insane.

That might be my problem! 137 scales and counting...geez.  Perhaps some 
collaboration would get me focused...anyone?

Meantime, tune this one up if you've the means:

-Jacob

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