kpnobl12

Keenan Pepper's "Noble Fifth" with chromatic/diatonic semitone = Phi (12)

Properties

Notes12
Period1200.0 ¢
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Thread1 scale
Tone (¢) Step (¢)
129 129
208 80
288 80
416 129
496 80
625 129
704 80
833 129
912 80
992 80
1120 129
1200 80

Similar scales

FileNotesRotationMax diff (¢)
14_13-12 12 0 0.4
unimajorpenta 12 10 1.2
leapday12 12 0 2.0
xen18-schulter-pure-11-14 12 0 2.3
met12 12 0 3.1
44_39-12 12 5 4.3
44_39-12_C 12 0 4.3
canton-esque 12 5 5.2
ozan80_tuning-math_11729_11784 12 2 7.2
unimajor 12 10 10.7

Parent scales

FileNotesMax diff (¢)
shur17 17 0.0
leapday17 17 2.0
neogw17a 17 2.3
xen18-schulter-pure-11-14-17 17 2.3
neogp16a 16 3.2
jot17 17 3.2
peprmint 24 0.0
peprmint_key1 24 0.0
lin76-34 24 0.5
simplemint24 24 0.8

Child scales

FileNotesMax diff (¢)
44_39-diat1 7 2.1
msdiat7 7 2.1
xen15-chalmers-triadic-reversed-diamond-13-11 7 2.1
xen09-chalmers-tritriadic-22-28-33 7 4.3
xen18-erlich-garibaldi-05 5 4.4
xen18-erlich-helmholtz-05 5 4.8
xen18-erlich-dominant-05 5 4.8
xen15-chalmers-triadic-reversed-diamond-33-28 7 5.4
tedorian 7 5.5
xen09-chalmers-tritriadic-26-33-39 7 5.8
Mailing list post
From: M. Schulter (2000-10-22)
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, Keenan Pepper!

Hello, there, everyone, and a special Happy Birthday to Keenan Pepper.

As suggested by Jon Wild, a setting of "Happy Birthday" which might
fit a neo-Gothic style could be one way of celebrating this occasion.
The following setting might fit your "Noble Fifth" temperament,
Keenan, and also (I would guess) any Gothic or neo-Gothic tuning from
Pythagorean to 22-tone equal temperament (22-tET).

Here C4 is middle C, and any convenient octave or absolute pitch
standard is fine. The numbers above the notes in this three voice
setting show beats in a 3/4 or 3/8 measure. As in the medieval
conductus, the melody is in the lowest part, with a bit of voice
crossing. Note that the choice of notes "D5/B4" in the middle voice at
the next to last measure means that D5 and/or B4 may be sung or
played, with an option to "divide" the part and sing or play both
notes if there are two or more people on this part, or on a keyboard.

 3  &  | 1    2    3  | 1   2   3   &  | 1    2  &  3  | 1   2   
C5  C5   B4   C5   D5   E5      C5  C5   B4   C5 D5 E5   F5
G4  G4   A4   G4   A4   B4      G4  G4   A4   G4    B4   C5
C4  C4   D4   C4   F4   E4      C4  C4   D4   C4    G4   F4      
Hap-py Birth-day   to   you___, Hap-py  Birth-day   to   you___,

 3  &  | 1    2    3  | 1   2    3   &  | 1    2    3  | 1   2   3 ||
C5  C5   G5   E5   C5   C5  D5   G5  G5   A5   F5   E5   F5
G4  G4   F4   A4   G4   B4  A4   D5  D5   E5   C5  D5/B4 C5
C4  C4   C5   A4   F4   E4  D4   Bb4 Bb4  A4   F4   G4   F4
Hap-py  Birth-day, dear Kee-nan, Hap-py  Birth-day  to   you.

For the setting of your name, Keenan, a "crunchy" sonority seemed in
order, thus E4-B4-C5 resolving to D4-A4-D5. While in the "Noble Fifth"
tuning the outer minor sixth might be a bit less crunchy at ~11:7, the
upper minor second should supply some strong "crunchiness," maybe even
more so at ~80 cents than in medieval Pythagorean (~90 cents).

As for that final cadence, in a three-part version I especially like
G4-D5-E5 with its outgoing major second before F4-C5-F5, but also like
G4-B4-E5 with the nice contrast to Bb in the previous measure. In
medieval terms, maybe I picture two different manuscripts, one with
each version. Additionally, as already mentioned, performers might
"have it both ways" by the option of a four-voice texture for this
cadence combining both alternatives, and featuring four directed
resolutions of unstable intervals by stepwise contrary motion:

           E5 F5
           D5 C5
           B4 C5
           G4 F4 

(M6-8 + M3-5 + m3-1 + M2-4)

Jon's original request was for a ".MID file," which I guess might mean
a MIDI file in some computer format. For anyone who might want to try
such a project, here is a very unofficial SCALA file for a 12-note
version of the "Noble Fifth" tuning.


----------------- Scala file begins next line of text ---------------- 

! kpnobl12.scl
!
Keenan Pepper's "Noble Fifth" with chromatic/diatonic semitone = Phi (12)
12
!
 128.669246 cents
 208.191213 cents
 287.713180 cents
 416.382426 cents
 495.904393 cents
 624.573639 cents
 704.095607 cents
 832.764852 cents
 912.286820 cents
 991.808787 cents
 1120.478033 cents
 2/1

----------------- Scala file ends on previous line of text ------------


Anyway, Keenan, while this is a very quick arrangement, maybe it can
give some idea of what neo-Gothic music is like, when performed in
tunings ranging from Pythagorean to around 22-tET, including your
Noble Fifth tuning as one prime candidate.

Again, Happy Birthday, with much joy (musical and otherwise) in the
coming year.

Most appreciatively,

Margo Schulter
[email protected]
Full thread (2 messages)
From: M. Schulter (2000-10-22)
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, Keenan Pepper!

Hello, there, everyone, and a special Happy Birthday to Keenan Pepper.

As suggested by Jon Wild, a setting of "Happy Birthday" which might
fit a neo-Gothic style could be one way of celebrating this occasion.
The following setting might fit your "Noble Fifth" temperament,
Keenan, and also (I would guess) any Gothic or neo-Gothic tuning from
Pythagorean to 22-tone equal temperament (22-tET).

Here C4 is middle C, and any convenient octave or absolute pitch
standard is fine. The numbers above the notes in this three voice
setting show beats in a 3/4 or 3/8 measure. As in the medieval
conductus, the melody is in the lowest part, with a bit of voice
crossing. Note that the choice of notes "D5/B4" in the middle voice at
the next to last measure means that D5 and/or B4 may be sung or
played, with an option to "divide" the part and sing or play both
notes if there are two or more people on this part, or on a keyboard.

 3  &  | 1    2    3  | 1   2   3   &  | 1    2  &  3  | 1   2   
C5  C5   B4   C5   D5   E5      C5  C5   B4   C5 D5 E5   F5
G4  G4   A4   G4   A4   B4      G4  G4   A4   G4    B4   C5
C4  C4   D4   C4   F4   E4      C4  C4   D4   C4    G4   F4      
Hap-py Birth-day   to   you___, Hap-py  Birth-day   to   you___,

 3  &  | 1    2    3  | 1   2    3   &  | 1    2    3  | 1   2   3 ||
C5  C5   G5   E5   C5   C5  D5   G5  G5   A5   F5   E5   F5
G4  G4   F4   A4   G4   B4  A4   D5  D5   E5   C5  D5/B4 C5
C4  C4   C5   A4   F4   E4  D4   Bb4 Bb4  A4   F4   G4   F4
Hap-py  Birth-day, dear Kee-nan, Hap-py  Birth-day  to   you.

For the setting of your name, Keenan, a "crunchy" sonority seemed in
order, thus E4-B4-C5 resolving to D4-A4-D5. While in the "Noble Fifth"
tuning the outer minor sixth might be a bit less crunchy at ~11:7, the
upper minor second should supply some strong "crunchiness," maybe even
more so at ~80 cents than in medieval Pythagorean (~90 cents).

As for that final cadence, in a three-part version I especially like
G4-D5-E5 with its outgoing major second before F4-C5-F5, but also like
G4-B4-E5 with the nice contrast to Bb in the previous measure. In
medieval terms, maybe I picture two different manuscripts, one with
each version. Additionally, as already mentioned, performers might
"have it both ways" by the option of a four-voice texture for this
cadence combining both alternatives, and featuring four directed
resolutions of unstable intervals by stepwise contrary motion:

           E5 F5
           D5 C5
           B4 C5
           G4 F4 

(M6-8 + M3-5 + m3-1 + M2-4)

Jon's original request was for a ".MID file," which I guess might mean
a MIDI file in some computer format. For anyone who might want to try
such a project, here is a very unofficial SCALA file for a 12-note
version of the "Noble Fifth" tuning.


----------------- Scala file begins next line of text ---------------- 

! kpnobl12.scl
!
Keenan Pepper's "Noble Fifth" with chromatic/diatonic semitone = Phi (12)
12
!
 128.669246 cents
 208.191213 cents
 287.713180 cents
 416.382426 cents
 495.904393 cents
 624.573639 cents
 704.095607 cents
 832.764852 cents
 912.286820 cents
 991.808787 cents
 1120.478033 cents
 2/1

----------------- Scala file ends on previous line of text ------------


Anyway, Keenan, while this is a very quick arrangement, maybe it can
give some idea of what neo-Gothic music is like, when performed in
tunings ranging from Pythagorean to around 22-tET, including your
Noble Fifth tuning as one prime candidate.

Again, Happy Birthday, with much joy (musical and otherwise) in the
coming year.

Most appreciatively,

Margo Schulter
[email protected]
From: Keenan Pepper (2000-10-22)
Subject: Re: [tuning] Re: Happy Birthday, Keenan Pepper!

I think this is probably the best birthday present I am going to get. It
really ties together the random stuff I've learned about (neo-)gothic
polyphony. The melody being on the bottom is really wierd, though I suppose
there's really no reason for it to be on the top. It sounds wicked in a
chorus voice on my synth. In Robert Walker's midi, why is one note of the
penultimate chord in a different timbre?

Thanks sincerely,
Keenan P.

Raw file

! kpnobl12.scl
!
Keenan Pepper's "Noble Fifth" with chromatic/diatonic semitone = Phi (12)
12
!
 128.669246 cents
 208.191213 cents
 287.713180 cents
 416.382426 cents
 495.904393 cents
 624.573639 cents
 704.095607 cents
 832.764852 cents
 912.286820 cents
 991.808787 cents
 1120.478033 cents
 2/1
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