Keenan4

Chain of quarter-4ths MOS, 6 tetrads, max abs err 18c

Properties

Notes10
Period1200.0 ¢
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Thread1 scale
Tone (¢) Step (¢)
125 125
249 125
374 125
498 125
623 125
702 79
826 125
951 125
1075 125
1200 125

Similar scales

FileNotesRotationMax diff (¢)
xen18-erlich-negrisept-10 10 0 3.2
xen18-erlich-negripent-10 10 0 8.1
prop19_10 10 0 9.0
met24-buzurg_al-erin10_Cup 10 0 17.0
mir10 10 5 17.3
secoralternative10 10 9 17.4
qm3a 10 9 17.6
qm3b 10 0 17.6
abacbadabc 10 1 17.8
buzurg_al-erin10 10 0 17.8

Parent scales

FileNotesMax diff (¢)
xen18-erlich-negrisept-19 19 3.2
xen18-erlich-negripent-19 19 8.1
edo-29 29 1.9
mohaj-bala_443 12 15.7
chain_of_minor_thirds 19 8.7
rat-19et 19 8.7
rat19 19 8.7
edo-19 19 9.0
xen12-hanson-11-chain-19 19 9.0
xen07-chalmers-19-equal 19 9.0

Child scales

FileNotesMax diff (¢)
xen15-chalmers-triadic-reversed-diamond-15-13 7 1.3
neutr_pent2 5 1.3
xen15-chalmers-triadic-reversed-diamond-57-46 7 2.3
xen18-erlich-negrisept-09 9 3.2
xen18-erlich-negrisept-08 8 3.2
xen18-erlich-negrisept-07 7 3.2
xen18-erlich-negrisept-06 6 3.2
xen18-erlich-negrisept-05 5 3.2
xen18-erlich-negripent-05 5 3.3
xen15-chalmers-triadic-reversed-diamond-26-21 7 3.8
Mailing list post
From: David C Keenan (1999-07-27)
Subject: Chain-of-quarter-4ths tuning

I thought I'd wait for the dust to settle on the chains of minor 3rds
thread before posting this.

Some weeks ago I posted the results of a computer search for MOS scale
generators that produce a useful number of 7-limit harmonies. You can see
it at
http://uq.net.au/~zzdkeena/Music/7LimitGenerators.txt

Yesterday I extended the search to triple-chains 1/3 of an octave apart,
and found no good 7-limit generators.

So far, (and I expect forever), the winner is Paul Erlich's symmetrical
decatonic. The chain of 11 minor thirds (6th root of 3) comes second, and
third is this chain of nine or ten 124.5c "quarter-fourths" (4th root of 4/3).

!
! Keenan4.scl
!
Chain of quarter-4ths MOS, 6 tetrads, max abs err 18c
 10
!
 124.51125
 249.02250
 373.53375
 4/3
 622.55625 ! or 577.44375 or none
 3/2
 826.46625
 950.97750
 1075.48875
 2/1

9-tone subsets appears in the Scala archive as:
! quasi_9.scl
!
Quasi-Equal Enneatonic, Each "tetrachord" has 125 + 125 + 125 + 125 cents

Also as a 9-tone mode of 19-tET:
! 09-19.scl
!
9 out of 19-tET

Here are some of its harmonic properties.
                              

Single chain:                               No. generators in
                        Min        Min      interval
Generator  No. tetrads  7-limit    7-limit  2  4  5  4  5  6  4  5  7
(+-0.5c)   in 10 notes  RMS error  MA err.  3  5  6  7  7  7  9  9  9
---------------------------------------------------------------------
125c           6        12.2c      17.9c   -4  3 -7 -2 -5  2 -8 11 -6

It is similar to the chain of minor thirds in that it uses the same
interval to approximate 6:7 and 7:8 and so it has the same minimum
max-absolute error and is likewise (barely) acceptable as a mode of 19-tET.
The higher ETs in which it exists are completely unrelated (except of
course for multiples of 19-tET). It exists to various degrees of accuracy
in 29, 38, 48, 58, 67 and 77-tET.

It is unlike the other 7-limit MOSs I've looked at, in that the generating
interval is not itself a consonant interval.

Here are the errors in the intervals with various sizes of generator.

Generator                     Errors in intervals (cents)
(cents)           2:3   4:5   5:6   4:7   5:7   6:7   4:9   5:9   7:9
124.14 (29-tET)  +1.5 -13.9 +15.4 -17.1  -3.2 -18.6  +3.0 +16.9 +20.1
124.51 (min MA)     0 -12.8 +12.8 -17.8  -5.1 -17.8     0 +12.8 +17.8
125.53 (min RMS) -4.1  -9.7  +5.7 -19.9 -10.2 -15.8  -8.1  +1.6 +11.7
126.32 (19-tET)  -7.2  -7.4  +0.1 -21.5 -14.1 -14.2 -14.4  -7.1  +7.0

Considering chains with from 3 to 18 tones; all those with 10 or fewer
tones have 2 step sizes, Myhill's property, and are MOS', but only 9 and 10
are proper, in fact they are strictly proper.

Regards,
-- Dave Keenan
http://uq.net.au/~zzdkeena
Full thread (1 messages)
From: David C Keenan (1999-07-27)
Subject: Chain-of-quarter-4ths tuning

I thought I'd wait for the dust to settle on the chains of minor 3rds
thread before posting this.

Some weeks ago I posted the results of a computer search for MOS scale
generators that produce a useful number of 7-limit harmonies. You can see
it at
http://uq.net.au/~zzdkeena/Music/7LimitGenerators.txt

Yesterday I extended the search to triple-chains 1/3 of an octave apart,
and found no good 7-limit generators.

So far, (and I expect forever), the winner is Paul Erlich's symmetrical
decatonic. The chain of 11 minor thirds (6th root of 3) comes second, and
third is this chain of nine or ten 124.5c "quarter-fourths" (4th root of 4/3).

!
! Keenan4.scl
!
Chain of quarter-4ths MOS, 6 tetrads, max abs err 18c
 10
!
 124.51125
 249.02250
 373.53375
 4/3
 622.55625 ! or 577.44375 or none
 3/2
 826.46625
 950.97750
 1075.48875
 2/1

9-tone subsets appears in the Scala archive as:
! quasi_9.scl
!
Quasi-Equal Enneatonic, Each "tetrachord" has 125 + 125 + 125 + 125 cents

Also as a 9-tone mode of 19-tET:
! 09-19.scl
!
9 out of 19-tET

Here are some of its harmonic properties.
                              

Single chain:                               No. generators in
                        Min        Min      interval
Generator  No. tetrads  7-limit    7-limit  2  4  5  4  5  6  4  5  7
(+-0.5c)   in 10 notes  RMS error  MA err.  3  5  6  7  7  7  9  9  9
---------------------------------------------------------------------
125c           6        12.2c      17.9c   -4  3 -7 -2 -5  2 -8 11 -6

It is similar to the chain of minor thirds in that it uses the same
interval to approximate 6:7 and 7:8 and so it has the same minimum
max-absolute error and is likewise (barely) acceptable as a mode of 19-tET.
The higher ETs in which it exists are completely unrelated (except of
course for multiples of 19-tET). It exists to various degrees of accuracy
in 29, 38, 48, 58, 67 and 77-tET.

It is unlike the other 7-limit MOSs I've looked at, in that the generating
interval is not itself a consonant interval.

Here are the errors in the intervals with various sizes of generator.

Generator                     Errors in intervals (cents)
(cents)           2:3   4:5   5:6   4:7   5:7   6:7   4:9   5:9   7:9
124.14 (29-tET)  +1.5 -13.9 +15.4 -17.1  -3.2 -18.6  +3.0 +16.9 +20.1
124.51 (min MA)     0 -12.8 +12.8 -17.8  -5.1 -17.8     0 +12.8 +17.8
125.53 (min RMS) -4.1  -9.7  +5.7 -19.9 -10.2 -15.8  -8.1  +1.6 +11.7
126.32 (19-tET)  -7.2  -7.4  +0.1 -21.5 -14.1 -14.2 -14.4  -7.1  +7.0

Considering chains with from 3 to 18 tones; all those with 10 or fewer
tones have 2 step sizes, Myhill's property, and are MOS', but only 9 and 10
are proper, in fact they are strictly proper.

Regards,
-- Dave Keenan
http://uq.net.au/~zzdkeena

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! Keenan4.scl
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Chain of quarter-4ths MOS, 6 tetrads, max abs err 18c
 10
!
 124.51125
 249.02250
 373.53375
 4/3
 622.55625 ! or 577.44375 or none
 3/2
 826.46625
 950.97750
 1075.48875
 2/1
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